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This new behavior is configurable in the app

 

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I would be surprised if B&O radio provides a higher bit rate than TuneIn since, it is my understanding, that neither service is actually providing the bit-stream, but rather more or less providing a catalog to find and connect to the bit-stream. The audio provider is the one actually broadcasting the bit-stream. I recall in the early days of streaming radio, some stations had higher and lower bitrate offerings – mostly for those folks who still had slow internet – but in today’s world of broadband everywhere, I would think most broadcasters probably don’t do that any longer.

I was going to test this, but then decided it would be too difficult since B&O radio capable devices can’t do TuneIn and vice-versa. Yeah, I could use bluetooth or Chromecast, but that’s adding another variable or two to the audio chain.

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Thanks. I’m not in a big hurry to fix it so maybe I will wait to see how things turn out for you. Please post any further positive or negative experiences.

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Although speaking of new features, you can now play Deezer “flow” directly from the beo app to a Mozart device (without the Deezer app). Unfortunately, the “flow” button doesn’t appear for non-Mozart devices. Not sure when this showed up (as I just got my first Mozart device), but this was something I always wanted.

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All true. However (as reported above), when one selects a station, the app reports “Action not supported by the selected product”.

I can “multi-room” the beo radio station from a Mozart device to a non-Mozart device, but that’s (obviously) not quite the same as playing it directly.

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BTW, I don’t have any DLNA playlists. Not even sure how to create them.

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I have been hitting the triangle above the album song list, but I get the same behavior if I select the 1st song.

Most of my songs are WMA lossless which the BM5 transcodes to FLAC. With most (maybe all, I haven’t been paying close attention to this until just now), only the 1st 10 seconds of the 1st song plays. Then, it stops. Then I hit play and the next song plays. Then it stops, etc.

I get similar behavior with MP3 and FLAC files, except these formats will play the 1st song in the album (then stop, etc.).

This works fine with my non-Mozart Beosounds (1st Gen BS2, BS1 GVA, Essence Mk2).

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Did you find someone to repair your speakers?

My BS9000 just started having problems. It turns on and kind of clicks with only the red dot showing. Ignores remote and button commands, except the open glass door button works 🙁

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Thinking about this as water running through pipe helped me pass some physics and EE classes. Think of the circuit as a pipe, and the resistance as the diameter of the pipe. The higher the resistance, the smaller the diameter of the pipe. It takes more water flow (amps) to achieve the same pressure (voltage) of the water in a big pipe (4 Ohms) vs. a small pipe (8 Ohms). Therefore, the pump (the amp) has to work harder to achieve the same pressure (voltage).

If you prefer math, it’s because Voltage (V) =current (I) * resistance (R) (Ohms law). Of course, with a speaker, it’s a lot more complicated because of the dynamics of reproducing sound, but at any instant in time, Ohms law holds true (more or less). I believe this is what Mr 10% was getting at. Because of the complexity of dynamic circuit behavior, Ohms law is only an approximation so speaker specifications like impedance are also an approximation, and as an approximation can be influenced by “marketing” spin.

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Not only are they only selling 20, they are at their new store in Paris.

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I’ve had my android and iOS apps lock up a couple times since the upgrade.

I also had some strange behavior pairing/unpairing my Balances with iOS app. After pairing, the paired Balance still showed up in the list of devices, but the pair worked fine aside from it only playing one track from DLNA and then stopping (regardless of pairing status).

I now see that I cannot unpair them. It goes through the prompts but doesn’t do anything. Maybe I should not have deleted the “orphan” Balance that iOS left behind after I paired them. Now, when I go into the “Edit Stereo Pair” on the iOS app, the icon for the 2nd Balance is not there. It shows a “missing icon” graphic. The Android app shows both Balances, but still doesn’t unpair them.

I did not have them long enough before the upgrade to know if this is any different.

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Not that it helps, but there used to be a really good repair place in suburban Chicago. He fixed my BS9000 and BS5 after a lightening strike. He was going to do some work on my BL1, but I never got around to getting it to him he closed. Hermit Labs RIP.

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I had a problem with my Eclipse while still under warranty. Opened a case with B&O, they said “go to your dealer” . I said “dealer no longer sells B&O”. They sent me to the Cincinnati store as it is the closest. Many emails and long waiting, parts were sent and a repair man showed up at my home and fixed it (replaced the screen). In talking with the repair guy, turns out he was a former trainer for B&O who lived in the area. So, in the end, they figured it out. If you’re not under warranty, I don’t know what they will do.

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As I dig into this more, it is looking to be a problem with only a few songs that I was unlucky enough to try to play one after another. I’m using my BeoMaster5 as the source. It’s weird because at least one of the problem songs plays fine on the BS5, not none of my NL devices can stream it, but the rest of the songs on the album are fine.

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Thank you very much!

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Thanks again. This is most helpful.

“Strangely the BLC Line-in is not shown as source of the BLC in the app (BLC shows up in the app). The way around: setup the BLC as “primary connected” to the BS2. Then all (set up) sources of the BLC, including Line-in, are visible / reachable as “BS2 sources”.”

Yeah, this jogs some memories. I also saw some notes of mine in the archive where there’s a difference between “LineIn” and “LINE IN”, with “LINE IN” being the BLC’s aux input. Could one program a “my button” on a Beoremote One to automagically select this (I’ve only programmed “my buttons” for the TV)?

“Can’t command, no experience……. but I expect lots of strange behaviour; on the same time input and output…. how to handle?”

The idea is that the BS9000 can play whatever the Core is playing by selecting Aux on the BS9000, and the Core can broadcast whatever the BS9000 is playing by selecting Line-In on the Core. The input/output on the same device would not be active at the same time. That is, you wouldn’t select line-in (Core) and Aux (BS9000) at the same time. However, this will clearly have the same delay issues with the NL devices.

Going to have to think about this some more…

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Thanks everyone.

I did some reading in the archived forum, and it seems that Spotify can’t be streamed to the BLC as it is not a SpotifyConnect device (oddly enough, I found this gem in a post I wrote in 2016). The workaround/loophole is that one can connect a Chromecast Audio to an Aux-in somewhere and then distributed that (or send Spotify as Bluetooth from a phone to a NL device and distribute that). Of course, Deezer works, too… without the gymnastics… except my family uses Spotify…

The problems I was running into last time with the BS5 and the BLC were because I also had a BV8 and BS9000 so all the ML “slots” were used up (A.Master, V.Master and Source Master). I no longer have the BV8 connected to the ML network so I can set the BLC to V.master and all the V.master sources will be available for integration, correct?

So far so good. To continue down the Spotify path, I already own a Chromecast Audio, but now the question is about how Aux-in is handled and the delay.

If I were to route the Aux-in from the BS9000 to a NL device, I believe there will be a delay on the NL side, but no delay on the ML side. Therefore, if I had both devices playing at the same time, there’d be an “echo”. This is the scenario that the “NL/ML delay box” handles, correct? To delay the analog side (ML) to match the delay imposed by the digital side (NL)? Therefore, if I want synchronized audio from line-in input across all devices, I need to use line-in on the NL side (or find a delay box, but I don’t believe this box will delay the output between the BS9000 line-in and speakers connected to the BS9000, only to other ML connected devices).

Therefore (assuming I’m correct in my thinking so far), I can, for example, connect a Chromecast to the Line-In on the BLC, and continue with a turntable connected to the Line-in on my (pre-GVA) BS2, and then map these to A.Video sources (like TV or DTV) in the BLC. Then, I press TV or DTV on the Beo4 while standing in front of my BS9000 or BL3500 and off we go on the ML devices.

On the NL devices, how do you specify the BLC’s line-in as a source? I don’t recall whether the BLC shows up as a NL device in the BeoApp. If so, I’d start playing the Chromecast via the Spotify App which the BLC will sense and turn on, and then I can “touch to join” on NL devices (or app) to hear the audio?

One more question on a slightly different topic, if I want to play CDs from the BS9000 on my BL3500 and have this simultaneously playing on a NL device, I would need a delay box, correct?

If I forget about the BLC and just add a core to the line-in of the BS9000, and connect the line-out of the BS9000 to the line-in of the core, I’d have a similar delay problem when playing CDs, correct? As the audio distributed via the line-in of the core is delayed a bit.

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At least with the Balance, the GVA version cannot distribute line-in audio to Multi-Room. I’d assume the same for the Level given they are both Mozart.

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I just ordered a Balance with the US sales code. I almost bought one a few times over the years, but with the most recent price hike, I thought it may finally be out of reach. 20% brought it down below the price I last almost bought it so why not? Let’s hope I like it.

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Also, is there a software version I need to look out for? I see an eBay listing saying they are no longer user upgradable.

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