[Rolf2]

Hey guys,

really thank you for your responses. I forgot to turn on subscription, so I became aware of your support only when I checked on the forum last night.

@Derek:

Thank you for pointing me toward the novus polish, it seems to be a real good one. I must admit that I was being impatient and ordered meanwhile the Mer polish. As you said, I think that paper will not do, so I ordered some specific cloths for polishing.

“Deeper gouges that you can feel with your finger will take more effort. You may have to use a polishing wheel etc.” –> At the moment I will go only for the lighter ones, because in this case I do have no experience at all.

Since I am trying this for the first time, I find the video very helpful. I did not check the scratches in detail yet, from the first looks, they seem to be more of the lighter kind.

@Glitch:

Thanks for your comprehensive tips which surely will support my endeavour. Here we go:

Practice on a junk cover to develop your technique. Thrift shops are a great place to find these inexpensively. –> Very good idea, I have a spare dustcover – ruined by a B&O repair shop – I can practice with.

Remove any metal trim or brackets if it is possible to do so without damage. Mask any trim that cannot be removed. (I hope that it is obvious that the cover should be removed from the turntable ? ) –> Mmmmh ?, according to the pictures in the book, I thought I could get away with the dustcover still assembled on the BG. I have disassembled some parts of a BG before, but never a dustcover. I will check on the service manual.

Use the least aggressive polish that will fix the defect. Using too fine of a polish usually does no harm. Too coarse of a polish or sandpaper (or paper towels) will add new scratches that you will need to polish out. –> Right now I would go only for the light scratches, having no experience at all. I have read that sandpaper will take away deeper scratches, e. g. taking care of the speaker displays of BL 3000, 4500, etc., but for this I definitely need more training and experience.

Microfiber cloths are ideal for this –> Got me some.

Using a machine will speed up the job. It can also speed up the severity of your mistakes. I prefer random orbit over rotary machines. –> At first try I will go manually, which should be good enough for lighter scratches?

Securing the cover so it will not move makes polishing easier and reduces the possibility of unintended damage –> O. K.

Don’t try to polish the inside of a dust cover. It is usually not necessary and the inside corners are impossible to polish –> I did clean the inside of the cover and it seems to be good.

A (new) reproduction cover might be available. This could be a good option depending on your skill set and how much you value your time. –> Time is a good point ?. I did some repairs myself in the past and now want to get more things done, because the people knowing how to take care of the old B&O stuff are rare and getting even rarer now. Since my time during the year is really limited, I have to go in small steps, although having an ever longer list of projects I want to start with. So in between holiday season and new years day, dustcover repair it will be.

Don’t forget to post before and after pictures ? –> Yes!

I appreciate your advice a lot. Get some rest, happy holidays and stay healthy!

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hi Pilatomic,

good news, really looking forward to it! Healthy holidays to you from now on.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

B3OHACK3R wrote:

Who is interested in such a thing?

I definitely am interested, looking forward that enough guys are joining in.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Stan wrote:

I can see the Balance in the multi-room display under the BLC in the app. However, when I select it, it doesn’t “join”. The app thinks about it for a few second, but does nothing. Can you send ML sources to your Emerge?

If an ML source is playing in the network I can join the Emerge by either pressing the „play“ button on the unit or connect it via the App.

[Rolf2]

Hi Stan,

I have e. g. one BLC set up with my BS 9000. In „Connect to Primary“ it is configured with my Essence MK II. The ML sources show up in the sources list of the Essence. They are not visible in the sources list of my BS 2 (ASE) or of my Emerge (Mozart). I do not know if this has been always like this, but it seems logical to me because there is no direct connection between the ML sources of the BLC and the NL devices.

With Balances in such a set up I have no experience. What I do know is, that my BS 9000 playing CD – via BLC – is multi-roomed to my Emerge.

Right now I am listening to Sarah K. on CD over my BeoGram 4500 CD. It has also been set up with a BLC and in the App I can see possible BeoLink Multiroom connections to Eclipse, Essence, BS2 and Emerge. I can not see my other BLC connected devices.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hi Nath,

glad to hear your issue is solved. Enjoy your beautiful BeoSystem 9500! I know what I am talking about ??.

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Thanks to all contributors for this thread. My Moment started rebooting as described above and I was able to exchange the Moments battery based on this thread and the respective video. All is well now on the battery side. Unfortunately, my Moment starts rebooting again. It is still working but its not the way I want to behave the unit. So, very interesting to hear that it could be caused by a heated board. I can feel a hot spot on the tablet, too.

@alebouthillier: Could you get further information about the component?

[Rolf2]

Hello and welcome to Beoworld. The correct tonearm adjustment for a BG 9500 using a MMC 4 is 1,2 grams. You can set this weight according to the scale on the right side of the tonearm using the slider.

The issue may be solved with the new cartridge.

If not, you could check, if the tonearm and the tracking arm do have the same height in relation to the TT surface or if the tonearm stands a little higher. If so, this should be adjusted.

Another option is to check whether the needle protection (the small, transparent plastic shield in front of it) is completely raised.

Hope this may give you an angle how to fix it.

[Rolf2]

Could you please explain what you mean by „provide more info to your fans base“?

[Rolf2]

Hi Maarts,

sorry to hear that. Most of the time a healthy battery will do the trick, but sometimes it´s some other defect. Apart from battery replacement, the BC 2 are non-repairable outside B&O to my knowledge. However, there is a Video, showing how to disassemble the phone (the link leads to part 1 of 4):

https://youtu.be/SDuIgSN3lQ0

It´s really long and I did´nt follow through yet. I have some defective and one dead BC 2´s and thought about trying to exchange the insides of a technically good one into a cosmetically better one (e. g. chrome handset ?).

There is one other way and that is sending the phone via a dealer to B&O. They still have repair kits, exchanging the electronics, key pad and display, so that you will receive a technically brand new BC 2. The cost in Germany is € 350,- – € 400,-.

Maybe someone else may have another alternative at hand.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

I had this issue and it was cured by a new battery pack. However, if your battery pack is new, you could check these points out:

• Check the connections between battery pack and phone
• Check the connection between bottom of phone and charging base – I also experienced a fault here as one of the two pins in the charger had been somehow pushed into the base housing and made no longer contact with the phone
• If you have different charging bases, try them all with this phone
• Maybe the new battery pack is defective – you may try the battery pack of another BC 2 or a spare battery pack
• If you leave the phone for a long(er) time on the base station, does anything change or happen?

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Madskp wrote:

I am not sure what option 3 does if it will lower the IR sensetivity or what? Or has it something to do with 2 way communication?

Considering the above, the manual seems to describe the option setting of a 1-way only BM 4500. Hence, it will have no connection to a 2-way functionality.

[Rolf2]

I currently operate a BM 4500 with sw 2.2. It is a 2-way terminal and I can set it to options 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4. In Option 3 it reacts to the remote. I cannot remember what it is for, it is not mentioned in the option setting list. Maybe I can find something in my archive.

You may check the sw version of your BM. Talking about options 5 and 6, those were only available in earlier 1-way versions. 1-way function only had been included in the BM 4500 with a sw version below 2.1.

 

[Rolf2]

I dug a little in my notes of the time when I acquired the display. My display is most likely a Panasonic TH-50PH10. It seems from what you posted, that yours might be an older screen, if it came with a BeoSystem 1. According to forum posts, the displays started with D5 and then went up until D11. Typing the panel name into an internet search engine, I received the operating instruction manual. If you replace „PH10″ with any given number of one of the produced displays, i. e. „PH5“, you will receive the operating manual for this panel.

The manual shows all aspects of the display you are looking for. The IR sensor seems to be for all different panels on the lower left side. Operating it did not require to remove the frame. But I had to hold the remote very close to the frame in a certain spot to switch the unit on or off.

Also, as Lee mentioned, there are connections for passive speakers at the panels rear side.

And the fitting remote per panel is described as well, so best take a look for it in the manual. In any case I attached the picture of my remote (meant for use with a Pana receiver / BD player) and its serial number. Researching the net, I found plenty of it.

In my case, it had been possible to connect an ATV III directly to the Panel. The connection was HDMI from the ATV to DVI-D (panel) for video and, if I remember well, I had to connect the audio separately because of the DVI which did not carry both signals. So, in your case it might be as well the case, that you need an adapter or switch for video and an additional audio connection. In any case it should be possible to connect the ATV directly to the screen.

One hint: I am located in Germany. So, what I found is true for my market and it may or may not apply to yours. As far as I know, there were several variations in respect of the different markets. I remember that there seemed to be i. e. different panel types for EU and US. If it means a difference I do not know.

So, I hope it helps and you will enjoy your BV 4 very soon.

Kind regards,

Rolf

EDIT: I see that the third character of the S/N is not clear. It is: N2QAYB000338.

[Rolf2]

Yes, you can turn it on with a Panasonic remote. I used my 4-50 a couple of years with a Panasonic DMR 750 receiver/ BD player and it worked fine. If I remember well, I connected it with a BC 9500 and got the sound through it via the connected Beolabs.

If it will help, I can check and post the serial number of the remote. There should be plenty out there on ebay or other platforms. I guess that it will work with all 4-50 / Panasonic displays, but cannot tell 100% to be sure. My 4-50 is a Panasonic D10 display and it has the IR receiver for the Panasonic remote on the lower left side.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Madskp wrote:

As far as I know similar products called powerlink switch are offered by Bosscom and Oneremote. I have no knowledge of how well they work.

I am using two Oneremote PL switches (DIN) with 2 pairs of Beolab speakers (5000, 4500) connecting a BSys 3 and a BC 9500. Working flawless since a couple of years. At the time I bought them, they were approximately half the price of the Almando device.

[Rolf2]

I was checking my BLCs and discovered, that the unit with the new electronics is not in store but in use with my BeoSystem 4500. Looking into the log, here is, what I found:

Mar 30 23:03:49 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 23:03:49 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 23:03:56 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Looking for a new software…
Mar 30 23:03:56 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Checking for software updates…
Mar 30 23:03:57 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Update info isAvailable: 0
Mar 30 23:03:57 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Update url:
Mar 30 23:03:57 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Beoportal sw ver:
Mar 30 23:03:57 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:No new updates available.
Mar 30 23:03:57 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:No software updates available

So, this is not very clear. No new updates available, and then, no updates available?

My BLC screen in the update section looks like this:

Software status

Current version1.4.3.19864[release notes]
Available version
Update statusNo updates available

Automatic update

Enabled (Recommended)
Disabled

Hmmm ? ?

At least, a dealer should still be able to update with his service tool.

[Rolf2]

I can confirm those messages as well:

Mar 30 19:44:06 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:44:06 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:44:29 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:44:29 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:44:52 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:44:52 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:45:15 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:45:15 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:45:38 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:45:38 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:46:01 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:46:01 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:46:24 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:46:24 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:46:47 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:46:47 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:47:10 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:47:10 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:47:33 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:47:33 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:47:56 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:47:56 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:48:19 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:48:19 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:48:42 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:48:42 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:49:05 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:49:05 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:49:28 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:49:28 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:49:51 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:49:51 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:50:14 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:50:14 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:50:37 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:50:37 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:51:00 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:51:00 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:51:23 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]
Mar 30 19:51:23 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Dismissing HTTP Response due to errorState [Http.cpp:349]
Mar 30 19:51:46 (none) BLC[1145]: [info]:Client disconnected. Message: Socket error. Error: Broken pipe, ErrorCode: 32 [Notifier.cpp:233]

It is a BLC with new electronic inside.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

My experience: I once bought a BLC, at that time indifferent of sw versions. It was cheap and I purchased without asking and it turned out to be on a lower sw version.

Now, this said unit was two updates behind. Customer service pointed at the online update and that it should work. And it did not update, neither automatically nor manually. Asking customer service, they told me, that in this case, only a dealer would be capable of updating the unit with his service tool. I asked my dealer who was not aware of this problem and if it would work. I gave it a try and he did it for a decent price.

First, it seemed to work well. At some point, it started to fail punctually, no longer reliably transmitting the data and music. In the end, I let it be checked by my dealer again and he had to exchange the complete inside electronics.

All of my other (3) BLC have the latest sw. If I try to update manually, I receive something like „it is on the latest sw version“. So from my experience and according to customer service (I guess 2 years ago), it seems that you can still update a unit online, if it is not on the latest sw. But it seems to me that it is likely not possible, if the actual version is too far behind the latest update. I also cannot exclude the possibility that my unit had been faulty right from the start and that this has been the reason that it did not update.

Personally, I would still go for a BLC to merge my ML and NL products. I have that „new“ BLC now stored, planning to connect my BC 9500 / BG 9500 to my network one day ?.

But info about sw version – my point of view – is important to minimize the risk of buying units with hidden faults or not behaving correctly. So, if the seller is not sure about the sw version and he wants to sell, than it should be possible to plug the unit into the mains, connect via LAN to the network and check the sw version. Takes about 2 minutes.

Alternatively, you could ask him, if he is willing to confirm that he will take the unit back, if the sw version is behind and can not be updated.

Kind regards,

Rolf

[Rolf2]

Hi Madskp,

look here, please, that thread will help you:

Beolink ML/NL version number? 1.4, 1.3

Kind regards,

Rolf

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