[Mark]

Maybe not so much a prediction in that it is happening now. I just came back from the grocery store and many of the prices make my eyes bleed!!!

 

[Mark]

It almost sounds like a prediction that the world-wide economy will continue to get worse, mostly affecting the middle income people buying their top-end products. To compensate and maintain their profit levels, they need to substantially raise their prices on the flagship products and sell fewer of them to the wealthy because even at their previous pricing there will be a big sales decline. This is kind of scary, but I can see that.

[Mark]

A couple of weeks ago, my dealer emailed me to let me know that B&O is now offering an exclusive turntable only program. The wood and the aluminum is customizable to their current finishes: Silver Aluminum, Black Anthracite Aluminum, and Gold Aluminum; Oak Wood, Dark Oak Wood, Light Oak. It sounds real nice except (for me) the price of $25,000 US.

 

[Mark]

What are you hoping to get out of this turntable/project? Are you looking for a really good turntable or the experience fixing it, or something else? They are all valid reasons. I don’t think I understand the idea of super gluing the cantilever on, but this isn’t my area of expertise.

I hear many complaints of vinyl reproduction, and I have to wonder how much of it could be the quality of the cartridge.

[Mark]

thomash wrote:

For many reasons I wish I were in Danmark to have someone who knows their way around it fix it but that is logistically impossible.

I purchased a Beogram 8002 from someone on eBay which is from Texas. He specializes in refurbishing Beogram 8000 and 8002. He tears down the turnable replaces all the capacitors and does everything necessary to bring it up to specs and restore it to “new” condition. For me the turntable was quite a deal price-wise, and it replaced a Beogram 8002 turntable I also bought from eBay that was nothing but trouble. I have had no trouble with the new turntable and I can play transparent disks without a mat which surprised me. I don’t know if he would refurbish turntables for other people and it probably wouldn’t be cheap. If you think your turntable is worth the effort and cost I could email him and ask him about it.

[Mark]

It must be bluetooth. To cast or airplay to it they would have to be on the same network. If they are that would be a concern unless you gave them your wi-fi password.

If they are using bluetooth to play music through your Core, you should be able to go into Product Settings -> Paired Bluetooth devices, select the device and unpair it.

For a product of the Core age, it is probably Product Settings -> Configure -> Bluetooth -> Removed Paired Devices

 

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Sandyb wrote:

indeed – if we look at the price of the 72-22 that came with BL18s, we can probably make an educated guess as to what this (with Bl28s) will be.

I asked my dealer the cost mostly out of curiosity. It was about 40% more. Sadly it’s not for me, not after several lifetimes!

 

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matador wrote:

I mean aren’t we praising those beogram, appart that they’re beautiful, because we save them from a certain death, because we like to repair them, adjust them, fight with them to bring them to work?

My Beogram 8002 equipped with an SMMC1 cartridge and the MMP3 phono preamp is well worthy of praise, at least in my system. If I could get a B&O completely refurbished 4002 turntable, minus the B&O preamp, I bet equipped with the SMMC20CL+ cartridge I would be singing its praises every time I use it!

 

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Dillen wrote:

This is not the only Bang & Olufsen product currently available on the market. There are many others to choose from. And at many price levels, – for beach or home use. You don’t have to buy any of it, if you don’t want to.

I think there are many B&Ophiles that would love to get turntable but only have eBay as a source to get one, and that’s always risky. You really have to know how to properly ship a turntable to have any chance it will reach the buyer in working condition, if it is properly working in the first place. Then the worry is how long their new 40 year old turntable will last. I think there would be a market of people that would actually want to use it, probably not huge, but to see them go at these prices is quite frustrating.

[Mark]

This topic seems to have brought out a lot of emotion out of me!

Millemissen wrote:
“The Beosystem 72-23 is a testament to Bang & Olufsen’s dedication to extending the longevity of products in the consumer electronics industry”, says Mads Kogsgaard Hansen, Head of Product Circularity at Bang & Olufsen.

I am wondering what they mean by this. Are they saying we saved 100 turntables from the trash heap and we sell them to the rich?

I would like it to mean what Mr10Percent wrote:

Mr10Percent wrote:

Sorry to be negative on this but I’d rather see B&O (or their chosen contractors) advertise for a pay as you go/at cost Deck refurbishment programme (and why stop there – plenty of good loudspeakers and BeoMasters out there with the ability to undertake reproduction components) and have current owners re-generate a second life for these products….rather than what seems the current practice of hoovering up all old decks from eBay and causing massive asset inflation to be ginned-up for a tasteless NY/LA Man-pad that will never really get any use or be enjoyed and savoured.

What is B&O going for here? Are they looking to become a high-end home decor brand? Are they hoping to sell these to Hollywood to be used as a set piece in an appartment for a McDonalds employee?

I’m sure the profit on these are incredible. If they sell 100 of these at £55,000, it probably has a much better bottom line than selling 6111 Beosound A5’s. But what does this do for the mortal BeoWorlder?

I am lucky that I found a Beogram 8002 on eBay that was refurbished by someone who knows what they are doing. Its been working fine. This is my second 8002 purchase, the first was nothing but problems, even after multiple visits to the B&O repair shop. While it’s not as elegant as the 4002 (series) is does have that nice double-sided tape elegance!

Playing vinyl is an occasional pleasure for me. I have to be in the mood to devote myself to the music for a period of time. It is a wonderful experience for me. I often ponder how much I would be willing to spend on a “Beogram 4000c” if they ever became available. I don’t need an entire vinyl music system, just the turntable, but the original price of about $10,000 US is too high for me.

[Mark]

This is certainly not a tease for those of us that would like a nice and reliable B&O turntable but cannot afford one at the price of a house!

 

[Mark]

Thanks Simon,

I don’t mean to distract from your question, but TrueImage vs Direct in general has been an interest of mine. I have a 5.1 setup with my Theatre, with 18’s up front and 17’s in the rear on bookcases. I think the 17’s are a little too high for me to really hear their presence. I can’t give any opinion on Dolby Atmos.

A while ago I watched Andrew Robinson’s review on the Beosound Theatre. For him the direct mode for listening to music was better than TrueImage because it fixed a dip in the frequence response, if I recall correctly. I tried Direct vs TrueImage on my system for music and I preferred the TrueImage. That made me wonder if I should have preferred the probably more-processed TrueImage over the purer Direct. For me and my environment the Engineers at B&O provided an improvement with TrueImage. I really can’t compare my system to someone elses system.

[Mark]

SimonWeir wrote:

why does TrueImage sound different as all settings are at their factory defaults and I have the correct number of speakers, so in practice should be behaving as Direct.

Just out of curiosity, how does each of those settings sound? I know everyone has different preferences, but does direct sound [much] better than TrueImage, or are they both listenable?

 

[Mark]

I had two Beolab 14’s that was used regularly in a 10.2 setup. Both subwoofers experienced different problems around the same time. On one a channel was dead and the other would power down after playing for a little while. Since electronic repairs is not my thing I took it to a Bang & Olufsen repair shop not very close to me. They tried to get new boards for the subwoofers that are not available any more, and they are unfixable by him. It’s been about 6 months and I haven’t got them back yet. I wish I could offer more help but I just wanted to let you know there appears to be problems with the subwoofers now.

[Mark]

To get the screen off option:

On the LG remote press the settings button
At the bottom of the icons click on the pencil (Edit Mode)
Find one of the options you can delete and delete it
At the bottom a + option will be displayed
Find Screen Off by scrolling down
Use the Edit Mode to move it where you like

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Millemissen wrote:

I must admit that I totally fail to see the point of playing music from a vinyl disc nowadays – now that we can get superiour sound from a digital file or a cd.

The experience. The memories.

Long before you could listen to 100 million songs for $10 a month, you had radio stations with character, and if you wanted to play a song whenever you liked you had to buy the album or single.

I strongly remember my youth in the late 60’s and 70’s when I had to save up $4.15 so I could bike to Civic Music to buy an album. It was a major event! At home I would sit down and listen to the album while taking it all in. The album meant something to you because you bought it. If you found more than one song on it you liked then it became a treasured album.

If you grew up later than I did then it was probably CD’s instead of vinyl, but I am sure the experience would be similar.

I have a Beogram 8002 with a Sound Smith MMC1 and a MMP3 phono preamp. It really sounds nice when I play an album. Even though the vinyl probably has the same master as the CD/digital it does sound a little different. While they both sound excellent I haven’t found anyone that prefers the sound of the digital version over the analog. Listening to an album now does remind me of my early days.

While I would love for B&O to make a modern classic turntable that is affordable, I know that probably won’t happen.

[Mark]

What would really be interesting for me, in the future when the Theatre will work with Mozart speakers, is to use 2 A5’s as additional temporary surround speakers. The battery would allow for placement where a power outlet is not available.

[Mark]

I wonder what it would sound like if two people are listening and one is staying still while the sweat spot is following the one that is moving around?

[Mark]

For speaker position try:

Product Settings -> Configure -> Sound -> Speaker Position

and then select “Table” from the list then press CHANGE

I found that some settings on ASE devices still need to be changed “the old way”, and apparently this is one of them.

For sound from the TV source, I find “Movie” more pleasing to my ears. But this is going to be a hard one to go with someone elses recommendation. Try a few settings and see what improves it for you. There is a big difference between the TV source and a blu-ray source for me also, but I don’t dislike the sound from TV.

 

 

[Mark]

You can definately wall mount the C2 and it will look nice. According to the LG website the C3 has a depth of 1.9″ and the G3 has a depth of 1″. The G3 comes with a wall mount and not a stand. The G3 will look more like a picture on the wall, whereas, depending on the wall mount, the C3 will look like a wall mount TV.

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