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So I assume from the above (particularly the last sentence) that ‘Datalink MCL’ is the same as ‘Audio Aux Link’ since that is the only data connection that the BL1611 supports. I am tempted to start a separate ‘OneRemote Digital Radio Solutions’ thread if there are other users out there?
I agree on your assumption about Datalink MCL being the same as Audio Aux Link based on our findings in some of the other threads. Also looking at diagrams for Beomasters/Beocenters with MCL capability the data pins are on the same connections as the TV/Aux sockets Pin 6, which is also what is used to communicate to Beolink converters 1611 and 1614 .
Problem to see the version at one of the 3500… Was justed displayed for some milliseconds… But the other showed me ver 1.1
This is one of the early software versions, and could have some issues, but the fact the fact that the speakers can’t do those simple things without going to standby sound like some kind of hardware fault.
Just to be sure, do you have any other B&O Masterlink equipment you could try to connect to them to test if they will work in a Masterlink setup?
I just tried it on my own BL3500 just to see if I could replicate this behaviour, but it just stays on when CD; radio etc. are choosen, and it also stays on in the MCL mode until I press a button.
A long shot could you cehck the software version of the speaker by pressing Menu, 0, 0, go?
I can see that the 3500 seems to shut off if I select radio or tv or someels input after a short while. So maybe some generell problem on my system… not just when I try to choose mcl input
Yes, sound like something is forcing it to go to standby.
One thing you could test if you want to do a little disassembly is to remove the speaker freets and the unscrew the plastic cover in front of the display. There are a touch buttons for timer and mute/standby, and maybe the standby button could be the culprit
Ok that sounds strange, especially when you have two units with the same behaviour.
On thing that comes to mind is if anything is emitting IR signals. Do you have any other B&O equipment in the room?
Or maybe a lamp that emmits light in the same frequency spectrum. Have you tried with all lams turned off?
I can say for sure that no trigger signal or special cable is needed for the Menu, 0, 4, go mode to work.
If I understand your first post correctly the BL3500 will just go to standby a few seconds after pressing the key combination? Or are you touching any buttons on the BL3500 or the remote?
Menu 0 4 go is only a service mode that will open the input for sound. No controls can be used in this service mode, and all button presses will go to standby.
But if you wan’t to use it in an MCL setup you csn use Menu, 0, 9, go and switch ML to of with the up and down arrows on the remote.
If it because you want to use it as a stand alone speaker I suggest you take a look in this thread
https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/forums/topic/bl3500-and-the-mcl-pl-connector/
or this post
You csl slso try other Audio source buttons, which will probably activate the equipment, but you might not get sound because of the csble as mentioned before.
The A.aux command will only work if the Beolink passives installed has a certain software level as mentioned in one of the earlier posts, but in this setup it shoulden’t mean anything as the Beolink converter will respond to any audio or video commands
Try using a video source button on the BEO4 (TV, V.MEM/V.TAPE/DVD/SAT).
The 7 pin to dual RCA cable you hsve bought will probably go to the video source input of the Beolink converter as shown in the drawing in Guy’s first post in this thread.
In an other thread I got reminded about the 1611 converters powerlink socket, and was still a little puzzled about the functionality of it. Matador had this input in an early post in this thread:From my readings in the forum, it allows to the linked device to know when you turn on or alter volume on a master unit like the BC2300, from its local controls, A.AUX.LINK not carrying volume or On/Off information. Therefore the Powerlink socket just has the data pins connected and no sound pins connected at all.
But since then I have got myself more B&O equipment, so I decided to do some testing to verify it.
BC9300 in opt. 0 connected vith datalink Aux cable to 1611 converter, and a Masterlink cable to BC6-26 in opt. 2.
I can fully control the BC9300 with remote via the BC6.
But If I try to start a source from the BC9300 It will only start locally and not play sound on the BC6 speakers. If I turn on the BC6 as the BC9300 is playing the sound will come out of it, but it will not react to the BC9300 volume buttons. A press on standby on the BC9300 will however shut down both devices.
If I the add a PL cable from the BC9300 to the 1611 converter I am then able to active the BC6 when start a source locally on the BC9300. Also I am able to regulate the volume on the BV6 with the volume buttons on the BC9300.
My best guess about this functionlity is that the Powerlink pin 4 signal will tell the 1611 to forward local source commands and volume commands to the ML connected TV.
I don’t have the solution, but remembered this video https://youtu.be/9akBE5MdVi4?si=IjFQ7AeFQzj8BZeo
Hope it might be inspirational for this problem.
Disclamer. The video series is called trying to fix, and the concept is that he is just trying things he might think could solve the problems, and dont use a service manual
yes it is interesting to see how he reacts to the controls which is almost second nature to those of us who have used B&O equipment for several years.
But I think it’s the same feeling I have when i get a remote from another brand and have to find out how to use that 🙂
A little funny that he thinks that the control interface has not got much attention when in fact B&O in that period had a team dedicated to controls of their products.
I not sure whether it would help at all but have you tried running the ‘Test Mode’ for the CD, as mentioned on page 5-17 of the service manual?
I haven’t tried that, but will do before I proceed to see if I can get anything out of that
Thank you both for your inputs.
I will try to look into bad connections.
Searching on reflow I also found this thread that mentions that capacitors could be an issue
https://archivedforum.beoworld.org/forums/t/35325.aspx
So I might also have to look into that. Maybe the laser wasn’t defect after all
When doing the test mode after manually moving the laser arm to the bottom it will still end up in the shown postion when doing the test mode 5
Guy wrote: I not sure whether it would help at all but have you tried running the ‘Test Mode’ for the CD, as mentioned on page 5-17 of the service manual? I haven’t tried that, but will do before I proceed to see if I can get anything out of that
I tried the test mode and one thing I noticed is when I try to move the laser arm to its extreme outside position i will end in the position shown on the below photo.
When I open the mechanism up I can move the laser arm way further down, by rotating the motor manually. So I guess something is hindering the movement.
Anyone has a hint to what that could be? nothing mechanically as far as I can find. The gears rotate freely all the way
Just for good measure I diasseabled the CD mechanism once more and tried the deep celaning again, but with the same result.
The I ordered a new laser unit from Beoparts and now have that installed.
No the CD starts spinnning and the display shows CD.
If I press a number button the display will show CD and that number, but no music is playing.
I disassembled once more and checked all connections, and then it started working and play fine.
But after some more assembely on Ouverture it is now againg onlys spinning af showing CD.
Any Ideas as to what this could be? The fact that it was playing for a while might point at an unstable connection, but might also be something else.
I have been using a grounded anstistatic mat and a ground wristband for all works on the CD mechanism.
Thnaks in advance
An just to mention it you Beomaster 7000 can also be connected to the newer Masterlink system with the use of a Beolink 1611 converter. This will give more possibilities for Link room equipment, but will require new cabling.
Hello. I know that there was an adapter for controlling the Beomaster 5000 with a Beolink 1000 remote control, but not sure if there was an adapter the other way.
If there was it might be hard to find it nowadays.
If you wan’t to reuse your cables (in the walls?) you could use the with the newer MCL2 system if you can find the relay boxes also known as MCL2A type 2046 or 2047 with IR tranciever https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/prod_details.asp?pid=977or MCL X-tra Speakers kit https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/prod_details.asp?pid=974 which might have the same type numbers
In addition you will also be able to use the MCL2AV https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/prod_details.asp?pid=978 that makes it possible to use active speakers in a link room and have separate volume control in the rooms with that unit.
Also the Beolab3500 MK1 https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/prod_details.asp?pid=373 with MCL connector can be used in an MCL 2 system.
Of course none of these products can be found new anymore, so you will have to source them in used condition.
and things I have not taken into account, like proper machining of the connector slots in the enclosure (I really prefer not to show the back of the prototype enclosure, with its very DIY knife cuts), buying the proper screws (my random screws box won’t be able to provides another set of matching screws) and determining the actual assembly time required.
An idea to make it more simple for you could also be to just sell the working PCB and inform what enclosure you have used. I guess for many people doing the mechanical assembly themselves would be an ok compromise.
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