[Carolpa]

vlad77 wrote:

Hi there, i have replaced the SMD capacitors on the Masterlink board in the BS9000 before connecting back in the system and have tried every instruction i have received from you guys, but… the BS9000 is still not visible in the Masterlink Gateway and I don´t have the sound. I have tried : disconnect everything from the mains i have set up the BS9000 with beolink 4 to A.Option 0. there is no reaction on Beovision 11 tv to setting option V.OPT 2 with beolink 4 there is no option like this to set up Beovision 11 tv to setting option V.OPT 2 with BeoRemote one. If I choose CD with beoremote one I hear radio, same if I choose radio with the remote. I post some pictures from setup Masterlink Gateway, I can´t find anywhere the BS9000. I have created the service report as archive XXX.tar.gz file. But i don´t know where to find the communication between Masterlink Gateway and BS9000 in this report?? Or what is name of this file including communication report??

First a note: you keep mentioning a Masterlink Gateway. But do you have a Masterlink Gateway AND a Beolink Converter NL/ML in your setup? Please note that they are complete different devices. For this discussion I presume you only have a Beolink converter NL/ML (BLC).

Go to Configuration / Setting of the BLC
Set the ML role to ASlave (confirm with Save) – no speakers connected to the BLC and/or BS9000
Set “connect to (primary)” in Networklink to Beovsion11-46 (as displayed; confirm with Save)
Go to Configuration / Experience mapped to NL
check the appropriate boxes (CD, A.Aux, Radio)

Start BV11 and open Menu
search for “connect to (primar)” in the menu structure (I do not have a BV11 anymore and don’t know where it is located; maybe someone else can elaborate)
set to BLC; confirm that it uses the BV11 speakers.

Now the BS9000 should start with the CD command from the Beo4.

Remark: be sure that on the page IR mapping no other source is connected to the remote CD command. There it must say CD starts CD and no other source!

 

[Carolpa]

Stuart50_1 wrote:

Hi all Can I have some help please I am trying to get me Beomaster 5 to turn the Eclipse on , so the Beomaster can play through the speakers connected to the Eclipse I have only just set up my Beoremote one BT to turn on the Beomaster 5 but when I turn it off it goes to TV on the screen I feel it is not configured correctly in the ML /NL convertor any help would be good

Beouser66 is right there is no “direct” solution to start/stop both.
Note: if you have only the BV Eclipse and BS5 playing together, you can stop all by pressing the STBY button for 3 s. Then the whole system is set to standby.

Please post some pictures of the BLC setting. That’s the only way to correctly evaluate the BLC settings.

[Carolpa]

XavierItzmann wrote:

By pure accident I found if hit A.TAPE on my Beo4 remotes and the signal is received by Beolink Converter ML/NL, it activates Deezer on my Beoplay A6. This works on my “DVD” Beo4 and on my older “AV” Beo4. The various status are: • If the A6 was on standby, A.TAPE turns on Deezer, A6 remains on volume zero, Deezer plays on BC ML/NL Powerlink speakers. To get A6 to play, just touch its volume bar on the B&O app. • If the A6 was playing Spotify, A.TAPE plays Deezer on A6 and BC ML/NL speakers. • If the A6 was playing B&O Radio, A.TAPE plays Deezer on A6 and BC ML/NL speakers. • If the A6 was playing N.MUSIC, CD, RADIO, etc. (legacy sources), A.TAPE plays Deezer on A6 and BC ML/NL speakers. Perhaps this is widely known, but it is news to me. This function is unlike JOIN, which plays locally whatever else is playing on the network; nor is it like the “O” button at the top of the Essence remote, which plays/switches audio sources at each keypress. Are there other buttons on old hardware which call up other music sources from wireless hardware?

That’s not by accident!
That’s no dedicated button of the Beo4!
That’s how the IR was set in the BLC – goto Configuration, IR mapping in the setup

[Carolpa]

Bart99 wrote:

I would like to explain the essence of the purchase of the beo converter nl/ml, it was to be used to remotely control the beo9500 via an application on the phone. I prefer to have the speakers connected to the beo9500, the sound is then controlled by this device.

if you give f.e. the CD command with the app, the NL side thinks okay I have to play the CD, but because in the app you have chosen the BLC as device, the CD has to be played on the BLC connected speakers.
The app can’t start the CD to play on BC9500 with speakers connected (and no speakers connected to the BLC) for the simple reason, the NL side doesn’t know it has only the BC9500 connected or does it have additional ML devices (for example a BL Passive and a BL3500) connected. So should it start the BC9500 or a BL Passive or a BL3500 or all or……..

Though presumably this would be possible with Beoliving Intelligence added to the mix. edit: this must be a Beolink Gateway.

So the best chance to achieve somehow your goal: connect the speakers to the BLC (one possible restriction: I do not know (never tried) if a sole BLC does work correctly as a NL system)

 

[Carolpa]

Connections:
BC9500 – PL + AAL – Beolink T1611 – Masterlink – BLC

BLC Setup: No speakers connected to BLC
Configuration -setting -ML role: ASlave
Configuration -experience mapped to NL: check the boxes Radio, CD, Atape (note: you can rename to f.e. (9500Radio, 9500CD…)

B&o App:
add the BLC

What I’m missing in the above setting is a NL device and I do not see one in the described system!

So alternative: no additional NL device:

Connections:
BC9500 – PL + AAL – Beolink T1611 – Masterlink – BLC

BLC Setup: speakers CONNECTED to BLC
Configuration -setting -ML role: VMaster
Configuration -experience mapped to NL: check the boxes Radio, CD, Atape (note: you can rename to f.e. (9500Radio, 9500CD…)
B&o App:
add the BLC

[Carolpa]

[Carolpa]

Hiort wrote:

The behavior you describe means B&O are trying to emulate the classic interface with new software and firmware, and have not considered all the edge cases. Report this behavior as a bug.

Agree. I have reported to B&O support. Lets see what they say.

Is this a bug? After some thoughts I would say not.
If you set the BLC “Primary” connected to your BS1, the ML sources connected to the BLC becoming sources of the BS1. So when you start the BS1. it starts with the latest played source.

Thus not a bug but a choice how the system should react.

 

You could skip setting the BLC as primary on the BS1 and add the BLC separately to the B&o app.
Open the B&o app, chose the BLC and select the ML source to be played. Then join the BS1 and/or M5

[Carolpa]

Stan wrote:

I have recently setup a 2nd hand BLC, and everything seems to be working properly in that I can listen to NL sources on my ML devices and vice versa. It all works fine except for 2 problems:

The ML sources only show up in the B&O App for devices configured in “Connect to (Primary)/(Secondary)”. Is the correct? I seem to remember it showing up in all devices.

Correct (for sure as Primary). But the sources are also visible on the BLC (if added to the B&o app). You can then start a source on the BLC and JOIN the others.

My stereo paired Balances do not seem to want to play ball with the ML sources. I can send its audio to ML, but I cannot get it to accept ML audio. The ML sources do not show up in its audio source choices in the B&O app even when configured as the “Connected to (Primary)”, and if I start sending ML to my BS1, I can multi-room the audio to every NL device I have except for the Balances. Is this a limitation of Mozart?

Correct. The Balance doesn’t have Primary/Secondary settings. So the ML sources can’t be added to the Balance as a source.

The Balance should accept the Multiroom of sources connected to your BS1 though. Did you try a manual JOIN already?

 

[Carolpa]

Hiort wrote:

Thanks for your input Caropla, but there is no BLC or ML involved in my setup.

Sorry I mixed up things because of the Master and Slaves mentioned.
In Netlink there are no Master and Slaves.

Still is it a bug? The settings are now that a device is always starting with the last played source.
Is is convenient? Is it the right philosophy? I’m still not made up my mind if it is right or wrong.

 

[Carolpa]

Stan wrote:

When I start a ML source on the BLC, the Balance can join. When I start a ML source on the BS1, the Balance cannot join even though it shows up in the multi-room device list.

Does the Balance JOIN if you select and hold (shortly) the (centre) play/pause button on the Balance?

[Carolpa]

Erwinvdl wrote:

Thanks! I don’t have a router from Unify, but gave every speaker a fixed IP. The 2.4ghz recommendation is interesting, because I just tried to boost the 5 ghz for problem solving. I’ll try this by switch off the 5 ghz for a period. I already use fixed channels (not automatic) this gave indeed more stability, but not a 100% fix.

did you try the system already with the router’s wifi switched off?

does every AP it’s own name? Or do they have the same name?

[Carolpa]

Since three months I use a Unify router with already installed AP’s. Although most (if possible) B&o is LAN connected. That said an Essense and two M3 are WiFi connected. Until now I have hardly to none sync problems.

General try-outs to reduce sync problems (AP’s are integrated part of Unify setup):

1. Set fixed IP address
2. Use only 2.4GHz band
3. Set on predominant channel.

note: I myself use these settings

[Carolpa]

Reprobeo wrote:

Bedankt voor je reactie, maar dit is bij mij niet het geval. Wanneer ik beide speakers mute dan zie ik in de spotify app dat het nummer wel door blijft spelen. Hetzelfde geldt voor muziek die ik afspeel met Deezer.

Deezer verbaast me, als je deze via B&o gestart hebt! Spotify ligt voor de hand (geen directe verbinding en daarmee geen signaal naar de Spotify app).

In ieder geval geldt dit wel voor “music” (dlna muziek) en via BLC verbonden ML produkten. (ik was blijkbaar te voorbarig…)

In mijn geval gebruik ik Audirvana/Qobuz om muziek te streamen, zoals te verwachten, is bij deze combinatie ook geen terugkoppeling en wordt de stream ook niet gestopt maar gemutet.

[Carolpa]

Reprobeo wrote:

Tijdens een BeoLink Multi-Room sessie met mijn beosound shape en de Stage samen, toont het schermpje van mijn BeoRemote van zowel de Shape als de Stage het speaker symbool en niet het pauze symbool. Dus kan ik alleen het geluid van de betreffende speaker uitzetten maar de muziek niet pauzeren. Het pauze symbool is wel zichtbaar als ik alleen muziek afspeel op enkel de Stage of de Shape.

Juist bij het kiezen van van de speaker icoon lijkt het een “mute” opdracht te zijn. Echter toch wordt de bron gepauzeerd totdat je weer deze icoon hebt “gedrukt”.

Zeker lijkt dit verwarrend.

Het gaat wel “mis” als je via dlna een eigen cd hebt gekozen, deze volledig afluisterd en de cd nogmaals wilt beluisteren. Dan heeft de speaker icoon geen zin, je moet dan terug naar de “music” opdracht!

[Carolpa]

Hiort wrote:

I wonder if anyone experience the same problem. Scenario: My M5 is started in the morning using the timer. A bit later I go down to the kitchen and tap on my BS1 GVA. By that I join the source on the M5. After that I may add M3 in my bathroom and/or M3 in my office. When I later leave the house I close all devices by using the B&O app, shutting all devices to standby. Problem: When I come home, I then tap my BS1 GVA and expect that to play from its own source. It does not. It starts playing from the M5, and the link symbol is shown in the app. Sometime the BS1 does not play at all, and I have to use the app to start the play. It appear as the “master” does not release the “slave”. Its the same if I use M3 as the Master. Anyone else see this behavior? I think this started with the latest ASE platform update.

Hiort, your right! All my devices do show this behaviour after a minor updates.

For example: yesterday evening I played the BG400o on my Shape connected to a BLC. If I give a play command on the Shape today (white triangle on the black player ribbon) it starts the last played source, the BG4000.
It works with all sources this way now: so also BLC connected sources. But for some, to me unknown reason, some sources are more persistent then others. On a strange way the “a.tape7000” starts unexpectedly.

I’m still figuring out, how the system exactly reacts.

 

 

[Carolpa]

Leosgonewild wrote:

Here is what the Beosound core is capable of handling: MP3, WMA, AAC, ALAC, FLAC, WAV, AIFF Standard sample rates up to 192 kHz, stereo and up to 24 bit End-to-end rendering path on the optical interface: 96kHz/24bit My goal here is to get this into the core and out to my Beolab 5’s. I know the Beolab 5 also has its limit to what it can handle. To clarify; I am mor e than satisfied with the sound of Airplay 2 at 16/44 for daily use.

if it is your own collection in your network, you can stream to the Core directly by using Audirvana.
streaming Apple Music isn’t supported by Audirvana (up till now). it supports Tidal and Qobuz though.

[Carolpa]

geoffmartin wrote:

A general comment: It’s incorrect to infer that a system or device is lossy or lossless based only on a sampling rate and bit depth. For example, an MP3 decoder can spit out 48 kHz / 24 bit audio. That doesn’t mean that it’s lossless.

oeps, that’s right, never thought about it that way.

so what would be the correct criteria?

[Carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

Carolpa wrote:

Leosgonewild wrote:

If I have understood correctly, Airplay 2 is not lossless. This means that if I am using Apple Music on my iPhone and transmitting to my Beosound Core via Airplay 2, I am not listening to its full potential. what I have done is that I run a toslink cable from my Mac mini into the Beosound core. I could also run a toslink from my Apple TV into the Beosound core. is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?

Technically speaking Airplay 2 is lossless because it supports formats up to 24bit and 48kHz (= above the resolution for CD). to my knowledge the best method to play higher resolution with the Apple ecosystem will be the use of the toslink connection between the Core and the Mac mini

This is not a question about higher or standart resolution. AirPlay 2 is always lossy – in order to have less strain on the wireless network and a better sync between the receivers. A higher resolution distributed through APE2 would also be lossy (using ALAC). MM

Again technically speaking if he want to feed the Core with a higher resolution music files from his Apple ecosystem, then he has, to my knowledge, skip AirPlay altogether and use the toslink connection.

[Carolpa]

Leosgonewild wrote:

If I have understood correctly, Airplay 2 is not lossless. This means that if I am using Apple Music on my iPhone and transmitting to my Beosound Core via Airplay 2, I am not listening to its full potential. what I have done is that I run a toslink cable from my Mac mini into the Beosound core. I could also run a toslink from my Apple TV into the Beosound core. is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?

Technically speaking Airplay 2 is lossless because it supports formats up to 24bit and 48kHz (= above the resolution for CD).

to my knowledge the best method to play higher resolution with the Apple ecosystem will be the use of the toslink connection between the Core and the Mac mini

[Carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

Carolpa wrote:

Again technically speaking if he want to feed the Core with a higher resolution music files from his Apple ecosystem, then he has, to my knowledge, skip AirPlay altogether and use the toslink connection.

But Leo asked: “is there any other way to get a lossless Apple Music signal into the Beosound core?” And that was the question, I tried to answer.

We both did – skip Airplay: do it, as you propose, with an external DAC connected to an iDevice or use the the Mac.

I guess a lot of people prefer a wireless version (AirPlay) and also not many use a Mac as the daily music driver.

I prefer LAN connections; so everything, when possible, is LAN-connected. That said of course I use (DLNA) controllers much. For example I use Audirvana to stream Qobuz directly to B&o devices.

For me the bigger question though, is whether the difference matters – and if not the convenience of wireless is worth it? That is a question, that only the actual listener can answer.

Maybe the mastering quality, the listening room and the speakers (and ones hearing ability) are the more important factors! MM

You do, as I do, listen to “the Harmony Codex”. “Abbey Road” and DSOTM in Dolby Atmos (correct me if I’m wrong). But in the end, I completely agree, its up to the listener.

“Hires” is a hopeless discussion, because everybody’s senses, tastes and preferences are somebody’s own; atop of the physiological and technical discussion.

I did set my preferences on my experiences.

regards

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