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Many thanks, Guy and Carolpa for your responses, which are highly appreciated. I will give solution 2 a try as I don’t own a Beomaster yet. If I’m reading your response correctly, the second solution allows for the connection of a Beogram, directly to the ML-network (using a BL-converter), without needing a Beomaster 6500 or 7000. It would still be good to understnad the difference in link signal between the signal from Beogrma to BL-converter to ML in one hand and Beogram to Beomaster to BL-converter to ML Will the signals be different?
You interpret my reply incorrectly. The Beomaster is needed.
you can’t use solution 1 or 2 without the first part of my post.
Beogram control over masterlink has been raised several times in the archived forum. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone got it to work as required! This thread is worth a read if you use Google translate: https://archivedforum2.beoworld.ouronlineserver.com/forums/p/11690/102249.aspx#102249 You may be able to use a workaround to get sound distributed, but full control does not seem to be possible.
It is possible, but not to my knowledge on the proposed way: for example,
Beosystem 7000 (Beomaster 7000 option 0) datalink connected to a Beolink converter T1611, which is ML connected to a Beolink converter NL/ML (BLC; set as ASlave).
Set the Beosystem 7000 sources “available” on the NL side.
Solution 1:
use of Beolink Intelligence: ALL the Beosystem 7000 sources are available (as part of the BLC sources) and programable to all NL & Beocontrol Link products.
Solution 2: No Beolink Intelligence.
If a NL device like a Core, A6, BS35, M3, M5,…. is available in the system set-up the BLC as “linked to other Products” as primary Beolink-product (note: you have to check the boxes of the BLC sources in the “local sources list” also).
In both cases the Halo and the apps Beoliving or/and B&o app can be used. There are/were some weird workarounds: for example, one started the Beogram 7000 as source of a Core: when expanding to multiroom, one first had to switch to BLC in the B&o app before expanding the experience (note: lately the way of using a BLC in the B&o app has improved though) .
Hi, I attached a picture showing the configuration page of my M5 through my browser. It shows that the product is up to date while it does not. I attached the picture again in the link below.
I would do a factory-reset.
Connect the M5 (preferably wired) to your network and wait some time for a sw update to pop-up.
do you know the (current) IP address of your M5? Or do you know how to find/get it?
if “yes”, open a browser of a PC/Mac/Tablet and type this IP address in as URL (note: device must be in the same network as the M5).
the configuration page of your M5 should start. then update the M5 to the latest software
This may help – at least as a start. Cheers – geoff
For sure interesting reading, but…
doesn’t the Theatre have 27 output paths? Or do I mis interpreter the system?
Hi Sandyb, Yes, that is correct. However, it is worth noting that the B&O website and spec sheet are incorrect as the Theatre has 4 wired Powerlink ports (RJ45), not 8 as quoted. Kind regards, Steve.
Isn’t how you interpreter it? Sure there are 4 Powerlink ports (same as Eclipe, Harmony, BV11, BV14, Avant, etc). But 1 port holds 2 Powerlink connections.
So 2 connections per ports times 4 ports make 8x Powerlink.
28 August 2022 at 10:19 in reply to: Comibning BS-wirless speakers in a system with old Beolink speakers #37192Thanks again MM, for the information. It would, of course, be more efficient not to use an Essence in this network. However, how would the NL/Ml converter receive its signals from the NL network? None of the Beosounds has line-out or AUX, you see!
Your Beosound’s are wireless connected to your network. Connect the BLC (NL/ML converter) to this same network and connect the ML to the BLC and “voila” you’ve got a connection.
I am in a try-out project to see if I can drive a BeoLab 2 subwoofer wirelessly. This means that I have to connect the Audio-IN of the wireless module, to pin 1 & 4 of the Powerlink. This is no issue. What I do wonder about, is how to get the BeoLab 2 to switch from stand-by to ON. It needs a 5v signal to switch to ON. Question
- Any ideas how to get the stand-by to ON switching done, in this setup?
The simplest solution is known as: Beosound Core or Essense mkII!
I think that the early BS9000 may have datalink. The service manuals on site show datalink present in the Mk1 (Types 2521 to 2530), but not present in the Mk2 and Mk3. However, B&O service manuals have been known to be wrong in the past. I think datalink was dropped from most products as N.RADIO and N.MUSIC compatible products were introduced, such as BS3000/3200. N.RADIO used the old PHONO IR command. The early BS9000s Mk1 were not N.RADIO/N.MUSIC compatible, hence required a SW upgrade. Perhaps such a SW upgrade disables the datalink capability.
I bought my first BS9000 while it was introduced to the public. Even this mkI version did not support datalink on the AUX.
I noticed a new behaviour for the BLC (at least I didn’t experienced this before) :
BLC is set as ASlave.
Start a BLC source (so also the ML sources) with the app.
One can now JOIN other NL sources to the BLC directly with the app.
MM, taking your lead I played around with the settings and it all works! The dealer had spent a number of days talking to B&O who were adamant it wouldn’t work. The only minor issue is that if I mute the Eclipse sound it also mutes the linked product. Paul
Same question as above for you.
I can listen to sounds from the Eclipse on the Masterlink products and even switch it off but not the other way round!
To setup your system and know the capability limits of this system, please give some insight of your products (ML, NL)
Also settings of options (ML) and the BLC is essential
Hi alls, The (desirable) Beosystem 72-22 press kit shows the cabinet housing a Beosound Essence and a Beosound Core.
the Core + Transmitter are parts of the Beosystem 72-22
Edit: the housing of the Essence and the Transmitter are simular.
when the dlna capabilities arrived to my Balance, I had a simular issue.
a software update has solved this though.
But actually I don’t know the actual status. I will check.
Checked:
I tried a DNLA music playlist. The Balance kept on continuing to play the next track in the queue.
Note: did you start the first track in the playlist/album screen? or did you start the triangle above the tracks
Lol, no it’s a different red dot, bigger and clearly stating the device is “offline” and the app can’t find the device…. (but the Level still is able to stream and being controlled from the buttons on the Level, not via the Halo nor the app)
I think I’m the one to LOL………
I do recall I have seen this dot (I remembered after your reply), but I hardly ever see it
There is a red dot and “offline” status symbol.
Where do you see the red dot?
Whenever I spotted the red dot in the app, it was an indication for an update for one of the devices
Thanks, that explains the “I have .10012, but the app *says* I got .10017, yet it offers me 10017.xxx” mistake. Great relief to know they didn’t creep in during the night and update-bandit us!-) Alas, it does not ameliorate forcing an update on a product when it is aded to an account, rather than asking. I think they should ask for any products added — but one might argue that new products come pre-set to “updates=YES” and therefore such autobadhavior is appropriate, provided adding old “updates=NO” products leaves them untouched. (@Steve, you were going to accept your GVA speakers’ update at some point, so why not try creating a new account and add them, settings status quo? That would test if the App blindly updates them or if it accepts that “‘Off’ means ‘Off’”. I cannot afford the risk on my remaining old unit to test this.)
To my knowledge this is the version for speakers set to the beta program.
Are you sure you didn’t set your Level to the beta program?
My BL28 and Balance both are set to follow the beta program and both have been updated.
addition: automatically updated to the sw version 1.8.10017.12375
To continue down the Spotify path, I already own a Chromecast Audio, but now the question is about how Aux-in is handled and the delay. If I were to route the Aux-in from the BS9000 to a NL device, I believe there will be a delay on the NL side, but no delay on the ML side. Therefore, if I had both devices playing at the same time, there’d be an “echo”. This is the scenario that the “NL/ML delay box” handles, correct? To delay the analog side (ML) to match the delay imposed by the digital side (NL)?
Note, if you have speakers connected to the BS9000 and play a CD then there will be no way to delay the sound played on the connected speakers!
Therefore, if I want synchronized audio from line-in input across all devices, I need to use line-in on the NL side (or find a delay box, but I don’t believe this box will delay the output between the BS9000 line-in and speakers connected to the BS9000, only to other ML connected devices). Therefore (assuming I’m correct in my thinking so far), I can, for example, connect a Chromecast to the Line-In on the BLC, and continue with a turntable connected to the Line-in on my (pre-GVA) BS2, and then map these to A.Video sources (like TV or DTV) in the BLC. Then, I press TV or DTV on the Beo4 while standing in front of my BS9000 or BL3500 and off we go on the ML devices.
This principle will work.
On the NL devices, how do you specify the BLC’s line-in as a source? I don’t recall whether the BLC shows up as a NL device in the BeoApp.
Strangely the BLC Line-in is not shown as source of the BLC in the app (BLC shows up in the app). The way around: setup the BLC as “primary connected” to the BS2. Then all (set up) sources of the BLC, including Line-in, are visible / reachable as “BS2 sources”.
If so, I’d start playing the Chromecast via the Spotify App which the BLC will sense and turn on, and then I can “touch to join” on NL devices (or app) to hear the audio?
The auto-sense doesn’t work to satisfactory, so I stopped using it. In principle the right source selection on ML-side (as set in the BLC) should open the Line-in of the BLC. Otherwise start Line-in of the BLC on the BS2, the start the ML-side with the right command.
One more question on a slightly different topic, if I want to play CDs from the BS9000 on my BL3500 and have this simultaneously playing on a NL device, I would need a delay box, correct?
See my remark above.
If I forget about the BLC and just add a core to the line-in of the BS9000, and connect the line-out of the BS9000 to the line-in of the core, I’d have a similar delay problem when playing CDs, correct? As the audio distributed via the line-in of the core is delayed a bit.
Can’t command, no experience……. but I expect lots of strange behaviour; on the same time input and output…. how to handle?
Can I push Spotify to the ML side? This would be my main use-case. I sort of recall Spotify not being distributable, but also sort of remember there being a loophole that allowed this for the BLC. If not, what about Deezer?
I have little experience with Spotify (maybe somebody else can elaborate, I do expert it will work though: Deezer should work)
Once the audio is pushed to ML, is it available to all ML devices? I have a BL3500 connected to ML and I’d like the NL audio to go there. I realize I’ll probably need to use a Beo4 to control the BL3500. This is my 2nd more important use case.
Once a source is available to the Audio Master on the ML-side it should be available to the others also,
Is it correct that I can control the BS9000 to some degree with a Beoremote 1? Like turning it on to play NL sources (like Spotify)?
You can control the BS9000 completely with a BR1
I don’t care so much about sending ML audio to NL, but it would be nice to have.
This could become tricky. The ML side does need “sources” but the command CD can only be given to one source. The same for N.Music. If you for example program Deezer as N.Music source for the ML side, you can’t use it again. So Music from the BS5 should be reprogrammed….. but then you could end with conflicts with your BS9000.
I sort of recall there being special stuff required for the BS5… that having a BS5 in the ML network limited some of the capabilities of the BLC, but the details are hazy. Is there something to this, or am I mis-remembering?
I do not have knowledge about special requirements. But the special settings of the BS5 could be the spoiler in a system NL devices-BLC- BS9000 + BL3500 + BS5 (see previous remark). Note: you could add a second BLC to your NL setup. One for the BS5 one for the BS9000.
I do not have a ML TV. I realize this isn’t a question, but I recall this was a key point to the BLC configuration.
It should also work without a TV
BLC latest sw version: 1.4.3.19864
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