[bnousr]

I’m also now realising now that A.MEM is the same as the old A.TAPE. Should this be understod that it’s not possible to do re-mapping of old commands not being used to something else? Additionally, I now also see that N.MUSIC replaces A.TAPE2 from Beo4 Sw4.2. So, the idea of pulling A.TAPE2 doesn’t seem possible. Unless, if possible, to use another command which isn’t used at all in the system.

[Tignum]

Hey, good to see you make such progress! Distributing vinyl works right?? (you also write “but won’t do N.RADIO (PHONO) from BS6500”.

The BeoSystem 6500 works locally as before (option 1)?

Does your Beo4 have PHONO under List? Can you add maybe? More elegant 🙂

J.

 

[Tignum]

Indeed, I stand corrected – A.TAPE = A.MEM, there are some more like SAT = DTV.

Another quick thought, is A.AUX something you could try for the A.TAPE2 source of the BS6500?

[Carolpa]

Tignum wrote:

this should work.

remarks:
-. do not make the source Radio of the BM6500 available to NL
-. add N.Music as source visible to ML
-. if one doesn’t use remotes but solomnly the B&o app or Halo the the IR mapping isn’t necessary.

I do think a two BLC solution is also possible but sharply depends on how the Radio mapping is set.

[Tignum]

Hi, no worries, am happy to learn some stuff on the way too!

Like I just realise that the ‘IR mapping’ indications below the BLCs in the images are not very useful as “IR mapping settings are only relevant if Power Link speakers and IR reciever are installed” which is not the plan with any of the BLCs in the two schedules.

See also my careful language for the ‘two BLC’ setup. I am not confident my scheme is right, as the manual* says “In a setup where the BeoLink Converter NL/ML must have the ML Role A Slave, it will not be able to distribute any source on Master Link”. Which I think we want to do.

Yes, you could certainly try and push only the BeoGram onto NL (uncheck the BeoCord in the ‘Experienced mapped to NL’) and see if you can control the BeoGram as desired with A.MEM IR commands on the main ML chain (the aim for my own set-up was to make all remote button commands as logical as possible).

In the proposed set-up with three BLCs, the BS9000 in option 0 (no speakers) will work fine (only CD) playing over the BV10 with connected BeoLabs. This is how I use my BS6500’s CD player (over BeoSystem 3 with BL8000s).

*Do you have the BLC manual? I added it to be sure.

It does take a bit of time to get your head around this stuff!

[bnousr]

Thanks Johan, I’ve got the BLC manual but actually took the time to read fully through and as you stated about the ‘IR mapping’ which is something we can fully ignore as it’s not in scope (actually when I try to remove the IR mapping for A.MEM/BLC-BS6/A.TAPE it’s automatic re-populated so it seems that it’s not possible to remove based on that A.MEM is neabled on the Experience mapped to NL page). There are several section in the manual indicating that this can be ignored. Also, there are a few section in the manual which is a bit vague, which could potentially inddicate what we want to do, might not be possible but on the other hand we have other users that manage to implement something similar and if it’s possible to have the BS6500 act as audio slave and just to push the beogram audio would be quite nice. For now, let’s see if we can get any additional input from Carolpa and Guy on how to solve this and yes there are several suggestion on how to setup the Beogram only but then I loose the possibility to have the entire BS6500 stack in full function in the office.

Additionally, I’ve also verified that the 1611 box works as expected by connecting a BL3500 and played audio from my computer which worked out fine. So at least that unit isn’t dead. I might also be able to borrow a 3rd BLC to play around with as part of your suggestion. But, then it would be quite nice to get some additional verification whether it would make difference or if won’t matter based on what we’re trying to do isn’t possible. Also, as clear the BLC manual is my own scenarion when I initially added the Momen together with the first BLC wasn’t in the manual and can’t recall why i choose to use Source Center. Most likely based on input from the B&O shop here in Malmö (which sadly isn’t around any more…).

[bnousr]

Yes, I’m now able to distribute both vinyl and cassette from the BS6500 including that I got full control over the units from what ever room I choose to play from. Awesome! And Yes the BS6500 works as before without any issue. Kind of interesting having the BS6500 playing using infront of me together with the BL3500 on the wall behind me but yes there is a slight echo but sounds a bit like concert hall effect (then don’t indent to play the speakers on the same time).

The latest diagram is what I got now, with exception that I’ve setup the BLC-BS9 with both CD and RADIO and it works fine. So currently everything works fine. The only thing is that I had to drop N.RADIO (TuneIn) from the Moment. No biggy and I can live with that but hey, if there is a workaround for that why not.

In the living room I’m using the Beo 4 with the navigation button which doesn’t have PHONO so won’t do the trick for me. Don’t know if it would make sense to get a new BeoRemote One if I can configure it to show in a nice way PHONO instead of N.RADIO.

When trying to setup A.AUX for A.TAPE2 the BS6500 reacts with AUX being enabled. So that didn’t work. But here is a thought, assume that I could use a Y-cable to have both the Datalink and the incoming audio from the DAC-unit?

 

 

 

[Carolpa]

bnousr wrote:

Kind of interesting having the BS6500 playing using infront of me together with the BL3500 on the wall behind me but yes there is a slight echo but sounds a bit like concert hall effect (then don’t indent to play the speakers on the same time).

connect the speakers to the BLC instead to get rid of the echo.

[Tignum]

Cool! Yes BR1 allows to rename all sources on the remote’s screen.

About the DAC, does the BS9000 have an AUX you can use? Or can you try one of the (three!) inputs of the BLCs :-)? Downside is you cannot listen to it on the BS6500 in the study, there you will need to use the BL3500.

I personally would (I actually had to) ditch the BS9000’s FM radio and use the RADIO command for the BSM’s N.RADIO source.

[Guy]

bnousr wrote:

But here is a thought, assume that I could use a Y-cable to have both the Datalink and the incoming audio from the DAC-unit?

That should work – I used such a cable when I had both a Playmaker and BL1611 converter connected to the aux of my BC9500. The AUX socket is designed to be an input and output at the same time (so you can listen to the DAC over the rest of your system), and there will be no datalink conflict. This ‘use case’ gets a specific mention on Steve’s page here (see the ‘did you know’ paragraph at the foot of the link): https://soundsheavenly.com/bang-olufsen/11-312-7-pin-aux-splitter-dual-aux-tape-input-sockets.html#/20-length-02m

But as Steve notes, you may have to power down the DAC when not in use to avoid interference.

Also, I am not sure if it is any use to you here but with the BM6500 in A.OPT 2 then it should open the AUX input when you select a video source such as TV, DVD. This could be useful if you are running out of audio sources on your system. As I have said before, I have never used a NL/ML system so am not sure whether this would create problems elsewhere.

[bnousr]

@Johan: I’ll might consider a BR1 then but while I like the looks of it I miss out the weight that you have in the Beo4 which is the main reason for now upgrading. The DAC is in the office and the BS9000 just to far away but using any of the BLC could be something since I have the technical ‘room’ just directly close to the office. But, then again, if it’s works out with using a Y-cable for the AUX port on the BS6500 that would be the easiest solution and which Guy verified that it wouldn’t cause any conflict. I did use the AUX before connecting the 1611 box to get the audio out from my Topping E30 DAC (wanted to get Shiit Modi DAC but they haven’t been able to deliver in long time so ended up with the E30) which I only uses when I want to get audio out from the laptop when playing music that I don’t have anywhere else or when connecting som retro tech such as C64/Amiga, etc. The Topping does power off when not in use and easy to power off with remote control (and same with the Shiit Modi).

@Johan: I’ll going to use RADIO for TuneIn as I’m starting to get happy with the setup and which I typically try to mirror what I had and then the tweaks needed for the WAF-factor.

@Johan: Also, with regards trying to get the setup to do the same with only 2 BLC which would mean removing the BLC for the BS9000 which would be good from the point of getting ride of one box that can fail. I’ll give that a try later on today or tomorrow.

@Guy: Interesting thing with the BS6500 in A.OPT2 might but don’t see that being needed for now. Since with the workaround with Y-cable I’ll just make use of AUX from the Beo4 and essentially this would provide the same function. That would be if I instead to make use of PC pointing to AUX. And thanks for the link to Steve’s page.

[Carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

’….feed an Encore into a BLC’ – that sounds like an interesting project, since the Encore has no ML or alike

MM

quite easy!
Buy a PL to Line In cable. Connect the PL of the BS5e Line in to the BLC.
I connected the BS5e to my BS9000 BLC. Set to volume to approximate 90%, then it works just fine!

Pity I can not reprogramme the LINE IN to another name.
I am still under the impression, that originally B&o had the intention to use the BLC as BS5e and NL in between. But it never happened (as with the latest BV7, the Essense mkI)

@bnousr, you’re welcome.

 

 

 

[Millemissen]

@Carolpa

Sure, that will work…..has been done with different devices several times.
That is pretty easy!

But I did not understand that that was meant.

’Adding’ something/the Encore to a BLC should also mean being able to use and control the individual sources (of the Encore) within the NL/ML setup.

MM

[Carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

@Carolpa Sure, that will work…..has been done with different devices several times. That is pretty easy! But I did not understand that that was meant. ’Adding’ something/the Encore to a BLC should also mean being able to use and control the individual sources (of the Encore) within the NL/ML setup. MM

Several years ago I tried the usb of both, BLC and BS5e, in search of access to the BS5e. No luck…. presumably or better surely the lack of the correct software.

the BS5e was and is a very closed system in B&0 terms

[Tignum]

Hi MM, hi Carolpa, I was already assuming (edit: counting on the fact) that I cannot control the BS5e through BeoLink. My aim will be to play it through a Line-in of a BLC (using A.AUX to listen to it in any of the rooms), control the content by hand (option 0). Carolpa, you confirm my thought to use the PowerLink socket for that.

I think the BS5/BM5 is very classic cool, but I am hesitant to put another big, fan-cooled box somewhere. The BS5e looks just as cool, and I hope the directly accessible nature of it will make my user experience better than I like the app/core. The downside is the low/no level of control. But hey, maybe I should see walking to my BS5e similarly romantic as flipping a record! Both haptic experiences. Keep you posted!

[bnousr]

@Tignum: The BS5 is what I would love to add to my Beosound installation/collection but issue of course that it’s just a bit limited when one have large music collection. But, leaving that asside, it’s a beautiful piece which would deserve to be re-launched again [Not trying to hi-jack and another thread might be needed for re-launch discussion] in the world of were it at least seems that a few people are starting to appreciate having a system to tinker around with more than just a phone. Just using the BS5 and the ‘mechanical’ aluminum wheel on this jukebox is a pure joy. When it was launched the headache was were to hide away the massive box but for the last couple of years I’m been lurking around several times been very close to buy one and to see to what extend it would be possible to tweak and improve the system.

[Millemissen]

Tignum wrote:

Hi MM, hi Carolpa, I was already assuming (edit: counting on the fact) that I cannot control the BS5e through BeoLink. My aim will be to play it through a Line-in of a BLC (using A.AUX to listen to it in any of the rooms), control the content by hand (option 0). Carolpa, you confirm my thought to use the PowerLink socket for that.

I think the BS5/BM5 is very classic cool, but I am hesitant to put another big, fan-cooled box somewhere. The BS5e looks just as cool, and I hope the directly accessible nature of it will make my user experience better than I like the app/core. The downside is the low/no level of control. But hey, maybe I should see walking to my BS5e similarly romantic as flipping a record! Both haptic experiences. Keep you posted!

The BS5 Encore was meant to be a standalone unit…..
….or – as the name says – as a companion to the BS/M5, drawing on the files in the BM5.
You could have one BS/M5 and several Encores around the house.
This was made possible at some point in the evolution of the BM5……they added a DLNA server to the operation system.

Of course you can do as you (and Corolpa) suggests – that is also what Steve (SoundsHeavenly) proposes all the time as ‘integration light’.
And this can work well – but without the ‘integration’ that a NL/ML Converter can offer.
By the way, if you put the Encore into Option 4 and use The Beo4 with a Link command (before the actual command), you can remote control it without interfering with other ir-devices in the room.
You can even – with a newer Beo4 version, that can be set to Link Mode – use the remote pretty ‘normal’ (this is nice if you want to improve the WAF).

Also you have an option of connecting something – could be a turntable or an Airplay or Spotify Connect device – to the line-in port on the Encore.

Several BS/M5 users have managed to merge the system to an SSD drive, making the BM5 much faster.
If someone really wants to integrate the Beosound 5 to the setup (with ML and NL), the BS/S5 is the way to go.

P.S.
I have never heard a fan in the BM5 and the box can be hidden away.

MM

[Carolpa]

Millemissen wrote:

If someone really wants to integrate the Beosound 5 to the setup (with ML and NL), the BS/S5 is the way to go. P.S. I have never heard a fan in the BM5 and the box can be hidden away. MM

But….. if one use a BS5 or a BS5e one can change the source with a remote, to change a Radio Station or an Album (DLNA collection) you still have to physical go to the BS and set the station or Album. Independently if it is linked in NL or ML or Line In connected to a BLC.

NB: I know there is a Beo6 , I have one. A really nice remote but not really working with a larger collection. With other words IMO not a solution in a NL or ML system.

[Tignum]

These are good hints! For me it would be ‘enCORE’ :-), thanks for that thought: ideally I would like to use the same music library my Core uses, will read a bit about that as it is mostly ALAC now. No rush here, first need to find a nice BS5e reasonably priced and not too far.

I think for me the BS5e is also bit simpler to install nicely: I do have some ducts already that I can use for RJ45 termination (Ethernet and Powerlink).

Have a good evening! Johan

 

[bnousr]

Millemissen wrote:

By the way, if you put the Encore into Option 4 and use The Beo4 with a Link command (before the actual command), you can remote control it without interfering with other ir-devices in the room. You can even – with a newer Beo4 version, that can be set to Link Mode – use the remote pretty ‘normal’ (this is nice if you want to improve the WAF).

@Millemissen This is how my setup is in the office; the additional BL3500 is operated with its own Beo4 which has been set to link mode to avoid that it interfer with the BS6500 unit which is operated with a classic Beolink 1000 and my all time favorit remote control – the incredible Master Control Panel 6500.

@Tignum If you haven’t seen there is a thread in the old forum of maintaining and cloning disk for the BS5 then again your opting for the encore and get it.

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