[airmax_zh]

Dear all

my BLGW does not support the Beosound Theatre anymore… so I’m forced to upgrade to a Beoliving Intelligence. Somewhere I heard there must be a MKII in the pipeline just before release. Does anybody have anymore information about the timing?
I need a new device as soon as possible as some of the automations in my apartment don’t work anymore… but don’t want to buy a device which is going to be replaced very soon…

Any hint is highly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your help.

[Emilos88]

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1665035559

 

[Millemissen]

@Emil
What you mean, can only be that the BLI also will support Matter (?).
But, does that really need a new version (BLI MK2) – or will that be done through sw update.

P.S.
Still a mystery to me what Matter support for the Mozart products will mean/bring us for our daily use ?

MM

[airmax_zh]

I called a dealer and he told me that they had a new version (he said mkII) but he couldn’t tell more… and he mentioned that they were still waiting for a new software for the new device as it doesn’t really work so far. and he coudn’t sell it because it’s for showroom purpose… that’s all I know and I was wondering if anybody else has similor information 🙂

[Mbee]

Millemissen wrote:

P.S. Still a mystery to me what Matter support for the Mozart products will mean/bring us for our daily use MM

Simple : Matter is a standard, so if everything goes well, you won’t need any box like BLI or anything to control it (and create automations) via any home control system (Apple Home, or others)

[Millemissen]

Mbee wrote:

Millemissen wrote:

P.S. Still a mystery to me what Matter support for the Mozart products will mean/bring us for our daily use MM

Simple : Matter is a standard, so if everything goes well, you won’t need any box like BLI or anything to control it (and create automations) via any home control system (Apple Home, or others)

That is kind of my understanding as well.
But why would we then need a new BLI version?
Maybe for mixed setups or???

MM

[airmax_zh]

In my case it is to integrate B&O non-mozart devices into automations. for example as an alarm in the morning, I’m using the BLGW currently to control the shades and then turn on the music system in the rooms I need (bed room, living room, bathroom). Matter support helps for the living room (BS Theatre), but not for the others… because you’re not able to turn them on or send them a join command without the BLGW or BLI. And furthermore… the BLI talks to many home automation systems that don’t support Matter yet. I would actually see it as a brigde in my case between B&O, Matter and Digitalstrom (home automation).

Talking about the future… I won’t believe my BS35 or other ASE products will be controllable without a BLI. At least not, if you want to listen to a built in source of the device… B&O Radio for example which I love for the quality…

I hope this add-on makes it a bit more understandable, why the BLI is still something useful in some cases… And if I don’t see any easier solution for my issues… happy to hear your ideas!

[Sandyb]

My understanding is this that if you have a bunch of Matter enabled devices at home, you will still one device that can act as a Matter hub. The difference in this world being you only need one hub device, not the current situation where some use cases / devices combinations require >1 hub.

Newer Apple TVs are the obvious example where many will already have a Matter enabled hub device at home already

 

[airmax_zh]

I agree… but the new Apple TV or any other Matter device will probably not solve the integration of ASE products. So either I replace all the older B&O devices or I buy a BLI 🙂 that’s at least my understanding right now.

[beojeff]

Millemissen wrote:

This could – at least theoretically – mean that, if you are not into the automation stuff….and just want to control e.g. Hue lights, this might be possible with the BROne/Halo using a Mozart product as the hub. No need for a BLI in that particular case anymore, then! Or am I expecting too much? MM

I suspect that you’re partly true — and that might be enough. The article in the link indicates the we could control devices with Matter with the Beoremote One favorite buttons. This would make it pretty simple to trigger light scenes. E.g., Bright, Relax, and TV Viewing scenes with Hue. Just a handful of scenes can be very useful and maybe enough for most people. However, I wouldn’t expect to see the type of deep control that you can get with a BLI — such as being able to control the light level of each lamp. I could be wrong. Maybe adding Matter support to the Theatre would give us a new sublist under List on the remote for “Hue Lights” that would give us a list of all lamps and scenes.

I think that the Halo is a different matter. Forgive the pun. The extra menus on the Halo are all highly customizable and edited by the BLI. It seems that that level would need the deep control of the BLI.

[Sandyb]

Having done some more reading into Matter, it seems that alot is still unknown

What we do seem to know broadly, is that one will need

(a) Matter enabled devices (be they speakers, lights, blinds etc)

(b) A Matter controller – this sets up instructions/ automations, and can be purely software (app)

(c) A Thread border router – this is hardware, already exists in many routers, but also some devices like recent Apple TV 4K models, Amazon and Google blobs.

Can one avoid having a physical hub, given the above. It seems it is possible, emphasis on possible. The Thread border routing capability can be built into small smart home devices, of the manufacture does so (ie not just restricted to more bulky boxes like the ATV etc)

Of the 5 B&O devices that will gain Matter capability – according to the flatpanels article – I dont see any having Thread border capability, except perhaps the Theatre, with its network switch built in? But if even the Theatre doesn’t have that capability, then people will need some hardware that does (Apple TV’s may solve that issue).

What we dont know (although Emilios quote from Christian gives some thoughts on) is whether, if you have set up automation scenarios within, lets say, Apple HomeKit as a Matter controller, the Halo / BR1 can access or trigger those. He is perhaps hinting that simple commands can be passed through though.

 

 

[beojeff]

The current LG TVs already provide the ability to control Hue lights and Ikea Tradfri lights and much more. Does anyone know how this has been implemented?

[beojeff]

I just looked on the LG home screen and see Home Dashboard is “powered by ThinQ AI.” I’m not really sure quite what that means. Perhaps it’s connected with Home Kit?

[Millemissen]

Emilos88 wrote:

From Christian, on the Discord channel ChristianK — i dag kl. 08:38 Without having had a look in the crystal ball, I would say: probably not. Matter can potentially be the “saviour of simple automations”, but deep product specific features (let’s take the overlay functionality on Mozart as an example) will probably not be exposed via Matter. To me, a good, local, open and preferably well documented API will win over Matter-compatibility any day. Don’t read this as “Matter is baaaad!”. I think it will make it much easier for “everyone” to do more stuff with their devices in general suing Matter, but if you like the nitty-griddy stuff like me, I don’t think it’s superior.

Sure, no doubt about that.
But if you just want to be able to control the light in your room/, it might be a different question.
Then Matter alone might be enough?

MM

[Millemissen]

Sandyb wrote:

I wouldn’t count on any of the Mozart devices as being able to act like a hub.

Your Apple TV (being pretty recent I think?) though will act as a hub for Matter enabled B&O devices.

We still know too little about the Matter integration of the Mozart products.
However – like in my case with the Hue setup – you’ll need the Hue Bridge in any case.
And this is Matter and Thread compatiple as far as I know.
Apart from this – I guess – my AppleTV 4K could do the job.

Interesting days ?

MM

[Millemissen]

Beojeff wrote:

I suspect that you’re partly true — and that might be enough. The article in the link indicates the we could control devices with Matter with the Beoremote One favorite buttons. This would make it pretty simple to trigger light scenes. E.g., Bright, Relax, and TV Viewing scenes with Hue. Just a handful of scenes can be very useful and maybe enough for most people. However, I wouldn’t expect to see the type of deep control that you can get with a BLI — such as being able to control the light level of each lamp. I could be wrong. Maybe adding Matter support to the Theatre would give us a new sublist under List on the remote for “Hue Lights” that would give us a list of all lamps and scenes.

Exactly what I would hope for – and all I would need.
Maybe that would be enough for quite a few other B&O users too?

MM

[Sandyb]

Yes, then it does sound like you will have a chance of simple triggering via the Theatre/BR1 of lights. None of this sounds imminent, so I suspect more will become clearer to all of us on the next few months. Like you my automation requirements are minimal (in fact I have nothing right now), but I do have in mind some powered blinds, so it would be nice to trigger those without one or more additional hubs.

[Millemissen]

This could – at least theoretically – mean that, if you are not into the automation stuff….and just want to control e.g. Hue lights, this might be possible with the BROne/Halo using a Mozart product as the hub.
No need for a BLI in that particular case anymore, then!

Or am I expecting too much?

MM

[Emilos88]

From Christian, on the Discord channel

ChristianK — i dag kl. 08:38
Without having had a look in the crystal ball, I would say: probably not. Matter can potentially be the “saviour of simple automations”, but deep product specific features (let’s take the overlay functionality on Mozart as an example) will probably not be exposed via Matter.

To me, a good, local, open and preferably well documented API will win over Matter-compatibility any day. Don’t read this as “Matter is baaaad!”. I think it will make it much easier for “everyone” to do more stuff with their devices in general suing Matter, but if you like the nitty-griddy stuff like me, I don’t think it’s superior.

[Sandyb]

I wouldn’t count on any of the Mozart devices as being able to act like a hub.

Your Apple TV (being pretty recent I think?) though will act as a hub for Matter enabled B&O devices.

 

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