[matador]

Guy wrote:

If I can find my 1611

It’s in a box somewhere…. 😉

Science project for both of us!

[Guy]

Yes indeed! I may as well open a few of those boxes as we are not moving house imminently – waiting for house prices to fall further before we buy …

I added those ASNUT and VSNUT cables to a basket at OneRemote but they wanted €72 postage to UK!!!

As an aside, did you ever here further from francoisvl? His post suggested a ‘one button’ solution. https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/forums/topic/beolab-3500-how-to-fix-ml-input-selection/#post-4665

Could be worth a PM if he is not often on the forum.

[Guy]

As an aside, with your Beo4 you can probably also add ‘A DVD2’ or ‘A V.AUX’ to the LIST button, and then use to turn on the BL3500. This may give you something more acceptable than TV on the BL3500 screen!

[matador]

I will try to message FrançoisVL.

About OneRemote VSNUT, ASNUT (but there is also LSNUT and PCSNUT…) cables, I may be wrong but I doubt the cable will change something unless it is related with something inside their radio device. I mean how can anything that fit inside those plugs change four times the behavior of a cable and moreover without anyone on Beoworld knowing this?

Yes, having say A.V.AUX on the screen would be better than TV. But the source being in the Beo4 virtual button list defeat the whole purpose of a “one key start”. The screen will display what it will display: it will never be AIRPLAY or MUSIC, and if TV keeps showing up, I’ll rather put a black strip inside the display cover which would be a shame because I find this dotted display gorgeous.

I believe they’re is enought knowledge in this forum to hack that speaker: remember a member (maybe Keith?) that corrupts an ouverture firmware to make it display IPOD instead of A.AUX? Or that guy that upgrade a full white Beomaster 7000 with Airplay, Bluetooth, DAB+ and I dont know whats more, all in an perfectly integrated pizza box element? Or more recently, Pilatomic bringing back the Beolink 5000 from outer world ? Old times…

[matador]

Hi guys,

Got a converter today and got it work! Cant get out of my head that Millemissen post: “(stop messing around) and get yourself a Beolink converter”. He’s right, it makes all more simple!

The Beolab is fired with the AV+TV command on the Beo4 or A/V+TV command on the Beolink 5000.

I wonder if it would be possible to start it wit any other audio command like A.MEM, A.TAPE or even just TV without the AV key before. First because it would be more convenient to have only one key and also because I find disturbing to have “TV” displayed on the Beolab when playing music.

I’ve seen in the 1611 manual that there is option programming for the converter but I dont want to play with it since I’m not sure to really understand how it works.

The 3500 works the same way in option 5 or 6.

Thank you all.

 

[Millemissen]

To my knowledge there is no option of configuring the 1611…….
……..other than is has to be turned on by the mains as the last device, when setting things up.
Sort of self-configurating.

MM

[matador]

You’re right, after reading the manual again it looks like they are talking about the main systems.

I powered the converter last as you already mentioned it in various topics.

So for you, now way of triggering it with any key other than AV+TV, right?

[matador]

This still remain a mystery: how could the Powerlink work with wireless 1 and not with a true Powerlink connection. Not to mention that the wireless 1 only talks about Masterlink connection not Powerlink.

Retreive the MCL Behavior with a MK2 BL3500 could be interesting.
I’ve talked with a member of Reddit who use is Beolab 3500 daily with only a DIN connection with a 5V trigger. His Beolab is a MK1 with MCL engraved under the DIN.

I’ll have to ty this…

I knew this speaker gonna be a lot of fun! I thought that he was saying that the Powerlink from MCL behavior was changed by software but was still physically there. But reading carrefully shows that thats not what he was saying. 🙁

EDIT: after reading RaMaBo’s post twice this seems not possible

[Guy]

I have now found my 1611 and associated cables and have experimented a little to try and work out the audiomaster/videomaster trigger.

I put my BV10-32 in V.OPT 2 and connected a 1611 with ML.

I tried my iPhone as a source using a 3.5mm to 7-pin DIN cable into the 1611’s AAL socket (inputting to DIN pins 3 and 5 as usual). Pressing any audio source will turn the TV on, but there is no sound. When I press MENU the TV’s screen shows the audio source that I selected (eg RADIO). I tried various Video sources (unused by BV10) but still no sound. Hence the TV is detecting the 1611 but it is NOT working correctly as either video- or audio-master.

I then connected my (old) BS1’s AUX in/out to the 1611 with a 7-pin DIN to DIN. The TV turn on with any AUDIO source and I can hear the radio from the BS1 through the TV speakers. I can’t control the BS1, but didn’t expect to be able to as I was just using it as an audio source.

So in the second case above, something conveyed by the 7-pin DIN (possibly from the BS1) is triggering the 1611 to work as an audiomaster.

Then I spotted a little note in Peter Pan’s diagram at this post: https://beoworld.dev.idslogic.net/forums/topic/beolab-3500-how-to-fix-ml-input-selection/#post-13657

There’s a note by the DIN plug that states (in Danish) ‘to trigger the 1611, connect a wire from Pin 2 to Pin 1’.

@Matador have you made this pin 2 to pin 1 connection in the source to your 1611? Perhaps this is what OneRemote’s ASNUT cable does?

 

 

[matador]

Guy wrote:

@Matador have you made this pin 2 to pin 1 connection in the source to your 1611? Perhaps this is what OneRemote’s ASNUT cable does?

No I didn’t. What’s missing is the purpose of that shorting: what means “trigger the 1611” when in the same diagram you also have a Beo4.

Let’s say it starts the 1611 in Audiomaster mode and when not present, the 1611 starts by default in Videosmaster mode, ok, but what about LSNUT and PCSNUT cables?

Do you know what pin 2 and pin 1 are? Because there obviously not datalink pins.

[Guy]

Pin 2 is ground.

Pin 1 and 4 would normally be for the L and R audio in the other direction (output from the 1611), and I assume that the 1611 would use it as such in a normal MCL/ML setup. It’s therefore not logical that pin 1 should connect to ground.

I just made up a lead and it didn’t work!

Perhaps it’s a mistake and pin 6 (datalink) should connect to ground (pin 2)? I need to find a 7 pin plug before I can test!

(LSNUT and PCNUT are for OneRemote inputs to Passive and BL Active respectively, not 1611). I know that the Active has a non-standard PC input connection for some reason, so that makes sense)

[Guy]

matador wrote:

What’s missing is the purpose of that shorting: what means “trigger the 1611” when in the same diagram you also have a Beo4.

I think he means triggering as an audiomaster, because in the text above he states that you can select using A.AUX or PC on the Beo4.

[matador]

Ok, but would be shorting a datalink pin to ground the same as leaving it in the air from the 1611 perspective? SO why then does it starts as a videomaster by default?

Also note that after my attempts this morning with the BS2300, the 1611 was able to start with one key, but still a video key, not an audio key. I’ve tried A.TAPE, CD and cant remember right now but all the audio key present on a SAT beo4 and a Beolink 5000.

[matador]

They are many Beolink converter 1611 owners manuals all with differents diagrams. I have seen at least three and each time its not clear if the data flaow uspside or downside. Text is not of a great halp either. Maybe the last iteration, if anybody has one are more clear.

[Guy]

matador wrote:

each time its not clear if the data flaow uspside or downside.

By design (and its original purpose) data and audio should flow in both directions. When my TV was connected to my BC9500 via a 1611 I could control (and listen to) each device from the other.

I do think that the 1611 defaults to videomaster (as in your case) but it would be really useful to find out what forces it to become an audiomaster.

I have found a spare 7-pin DIN plug, but am going to give up for today for two reasons:

– Firstly I hate soldering, especially fiddly little DIN plugs with my sausage fingers!

– Secondly, I need to research SCART to hdmi converters: my father has just purchased a new (non-B&O) TV and wants to know how to connect his VHS player!!!

[matador]

Guy wrote:

Firstly I hate soldering, especially fiddly little DIN

I understand, this morning I was close to give up just because I had to make a 7/7 din wire.
Especially Chinese ebay cheap plug that melt even before anything was solder!

About VHS to HDMI, dont forget (I think) that there is two kind of HDMI, one that carry analogue and the other taht dont and that will never accept analogue signal wirhout an active converter (fancy that: converter!).

Cheers.

[matador]

When I first tried it was in option 6: only AV+TV did work.
Then I tried Opt 4 or 5 cant remember and it did work the same way. I think I let it like that. I will check.

Regarding ML or MCL mode does this apply even to MK2 speakers?

[Keith Saunders]

Gentlemen,

I have not read the whole of this thread, but there is an undocumented option (Menu Menu 0 4 Play) which shows “PL SELECT” in the display and opens the PL port! You can have the 3500 playing from the PL socket from a Beosound 9000 or iPhone (ie. no Powerlink trigger needed) etc..
Keith

[matador]

Hi Keith, thank you for chiming in.
That’s what I’m trying to avoid because for daily use this is not convenient.

[matador]

Ok, Morning Report:

Have connected My Beosound 2300 to the 1611 converter through a 7 pin DIN wire.
Powered up everything and after that the converter. At first it did not do anything, no rectin from the remote from the L.OPT 6 Beolab 3500 and of course none from A.OPT 0 BS2300.

Tried frenetically a random sequence of power down power up etc, still nothing.

Then I tried to put everything in its previous state, meaning:
– Unplug everything from power.
– Unplug DIN and Masterlink,
– Plug back Masterlink only,
– Start the 3500 with AV+TV.

Then I plugged back the DIN and “Pouf” it all worked as I believe it should, that is as it did work with a masterlink connection between my Ouverture and the 3500: source selection and volume control.

WIth the belief the converter was somehow “autoconfigured” in some sort of AUDIO mode, I un plugged power from the converter, the speaker, then unplugged the DIN, Plugged back an ordinary iPod cable, then power to the converter and finally power to the speaker.

And guess what? i saved a key! Now the speaker starts, still with a video source key (TV, SAT, V.TAPE, CDV…), but without the need to press the AV key before. Just what I was looking for.

After unplugging it all from mains and plug it back the same way: it work again with direct key selection.

Thanks to everybody who tried to help.

[Author]

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